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Date:Mon Feb 1 12:04:49 2000 
Subject:Re: Hello... 
From:Aaron Sloman See text for reply address 
Volume-ID:1000201.02 

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Hello Jason,

Your message was forwarded to the pop-forum list.

"Jason Handby" <jasonh@NOSPAMbigfoot.com> writes:

> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:34:55 -0000
> Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server

> Hello all :-)
>
> It's been years since I used and contributed to Poplog,

Your name is still in some of the help and REF files, e.g. in

    $usepop/pop/x/pop/ref

> and I finally
> downloaded v15.53 last night to run on my RedHat 6.1 machine. Ah, the
> marvellous whiff of nostalgia...

And faster than you ever dreamed it could be in the old days...

> A couple of minor niggles: if I'm just using terminal-based pop11 / ved
> (i.e. not xved) it doesn't seem to like running in a gnome terminal window;

I tried the gnome stuff, hated it, found it buggy, and soon switched
to ctwm, which I also use on Suns. I gather gnome is a pre-relese.

> I got a segmentation fault when I exited ved. An xterm works just fine
> though.

I assume you mean that if you start up an xterm window, ved works
fine in it.

> Also, the delete and backspace keys don't seem to do what you'd
> expect on a PC xterm...  Am I alone in noticing these?

Yes. VED's default is the logical one: if you press DEL it deletes
the last character you typed, and if you press BACKSPACE it does
what backspace means: moves the Ved cursor one space back....

(Those were the original meanings of the keys on keyboards used with
paper tape punches, teletypes, etc. etc.)

But for years PC users have had their minds corrupted by some
alternative interpretation of these labels, and alas such users are
in the majority!

So now we ought to have an alternative default setup for Ved, as we
do for our students here in Birmingham. It's easier than re-training
them, especially as some of them still use PCs some of the time, and
find switching confusing.

It's easy enough to fix this in your vedinit.p file. something like
this:

define :ved_runtime_action;
    ;;; Make Backspace key do character delete to left
	vedsetkey('\^H', "vedchardelete");

    ;;; Make delete key delete character under cursor
	vedsetkey('\^?', "veddotdelete");
enddefine;

> Anyway, hello to anyone that knows me (Aaron?). If I create anything
> fantastic using Poplog I'll let you know :-)

Good. There's lots of stuff already at the FreePoplog site and more
at www.poplog.org, set up by Steve Leach and Graham Higgins

What we really need to help the system take off is someone who
understands both Pop-11 and Windows/NT well enough to add graphics
capability to PC windows poplog, preferably emulating the X
facilities provided by the Poplog widget set.

Cheers.

Aaron
==
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School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, B15 2TT, UK
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