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Date:Mon Feb 4 08:23:13 2000 
Subject:Problem with Poplog in Windows 
From:Aaron Sloman See text for reply address 
Volume-ID:1000204.02 

Robin Popplestone pop@roo.cs.umass.edu posted a message with no
Subject.

> Date: 3 Feb 2000 17:56:45 GMT
>
> I've downloaded the windows version of Poplog, but have had distinctly
> limited joy with it.
>
> (1) POP-11 seems to work tolerably. But there's quite a bit of Unix
> stuff that's simply unbound. For example the ved_ls command
> (<enter>ls<return>) obviously tries to spawn off a Unix shell(...!).
> While dired isn't implemented.

I think the covering notes explain that this is a very limited
version of Poplog and further more it was mainly intended for NT
(Clementine runs under NT) so some things that work under NT will
not work with Win95/98. See this file (also in the tar package):

    http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/research/poplog/new/pcwinpoplog.readme.txt

> (2) I couldn't  restore any of the .psv files to get Common Lisp, Prolog
> and SML. [wrong system and version messages]

I am surprised. I think other people have found that they work. How
did you try to invoke them? I think I've seen them working on W95.

>
> (3) I successfully built Prolog (though it's a bit of a bore to have
> to compile the whole system every time you use it...)
>
> (4) Trying to build Common Lisp consistently crashed Windows 95 (... what
> an "operating system"...)
>
> (5) I built the Poplog SML (pml) with apparent success EXCEPT that
> no output appeared from my interactions, except when I made an error.
>
> It's not that I'm complaining, since it's all a freebie. But it doesn't
> give a very good impression of Poplog, to say the least.
>
>
> I don't know if anybody can help me with this - I'd like to build my
> Scheme in the system, but the experience isn't encouraging me to
> believe it would be worth the effort.

Ray Dunn (one of the early implementers of Pop2 in Edinburgh) posted
a relevant comment via comp.lang.pop which seemed to get blocked at
our news->mail gateway (which has been giving trouble recently) so
I'll append it:

NOraydunnSPAM@canada.com (Ray Dunn) writes:

> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 02:08:59 GMT
>
> pop@roo.cs.umass.edu wrote:
>
> >(4) Trying to build Common Lisp consistently crashed Windows 95 (...
> >what an "operating system"...)
>
> Can't help you with much else Robin, but if you can switch to Windows
> NT, my desktop stays up for weeks, in a fairly unstable development
> environment.
>
> How're you doing?
> --
> Ray Dunn                   
> Montreal                   


Aaron
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