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Date:Mon Feb 17 11:02:17 2003 
Subject:Re: poplog: PPP ? 
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In article <3e4e3446$0$226@hades.is.co.za>,
	eas-lab@absamail.co.za writes:
>> In article <3e4bc312$0$225@hades.is.co.za>,
>> 	eas-lab@absamail.co.za writes:
 kers@hplb.hpl.hp.com () wrote:
>> No, I don't think so.
>> 
> 
> As a long-shot, I tried 'man sockets' under poplog, and was 
> amazed to get much info.
> Only after investigating did I realise that poplog fetches linux mans.

Dead useful. Wouldn't be without it - that's how I read most man pages.

> Often poplog is TOO smart.  I don't like the 'little man in the box'
> (Eliza) approach. This is suitable for kiddies; not for serious researchers
> who need to have 'control'. 

Erm ... why? I think I could reasonably present as a "serious researcher",
and I definitely qualify as "need to have control". I don't see Poplog as
taking control away from me particularly. It does what I tell it to.

> Minimalism should be the aim.

That's a point of view. It's subject to personality and interpretation.
Poplog has a decent text editor in it; in an aim for minimalism, that's
the one I use for most editing. vi if ved doesn't work. And, alas, 
Eclipse for editing Java - because the refactoring / search / compilation
is too useful.

>> > I have good reason to investigate PPP.
>> > 
>> > Apparently this can-of-worms/non-trivial subject is closely
>> > connected with what was previously called TCP/IP stacks ?
>> 
>> PPP is, if I recall correctly, a TCP/IP-over-a-phone protocol.
>> 
> Then apparently the material on 'sockets' is applicable ?

Yes. No.

The sockets material will tell you about sockets *in poplog pop11*.
It won't tell you *anything* PPP specific. Like, how to set it up
on your machine, where the config files live, what typically goes
wrong, how to control your modem, et seq.

>> As usual, Google is your friend: the query
>> looks to have useful results.
>> 
> Google is good but at certain levels minimalism and focus are required.

So pick a plausible article and read it.

>> > I have got some of the RFCs, but I first need an overview.
>> 
> To those on poplog who have been discussing sockets: 
>    will poplog's material help me to understand PPP ?

Only the sockets part.

What are you actually trying to *do*?

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