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Date:Mon Feb 14 15:36:17 2001 
Subject:RE: linux , non-X, ved ? 
From:cglur 
Volume-ID:1010214.01 

> > Since X has disadvantages, with no apparent benefits for ved usage,
> > can ved run non-X mode on a standard pc under linux ?

"Luc Beaudoin" wrote:
> I used to use ved with a dumb terminal in 1990-1991 as hundreds of
> people did in those days. I'm sure it still works. 
> As long as you have a unix command line prompt you should be able
> to get ved going. (Just type ved, if it's in your path.) Is your question:
> how to use a different windowing system apart from
> X-windows under linux? I've only used X under Linux myself.
No; my problem is that ved is unusable outside X-windows.
It acts as if the virtual terminal width was too little; eg. causing 1 char
line-wrap ....

> I assume that ved wouldn't try to apply any xformatting if you're running it
> outside of X-windows, but if it did, you could use ved_strip (ENTER strip) to
> get rid of it. I have this in my vedinit.p:
I havn't got vedinit.p.  
A 'similarly' named file refers to vedinit.p, in a comment.
I'm guessing that X-windows handles the formatting/line-width problem
automatically.

> 
> >    *  where is linux's  keyboard mapping facility ?
> >    *  is it sensible to re-map eg. the cursor 4 directions to the arrows ?
> 
> Yes.
OK. I see there's masses of stuff about keyboard mapping. And apparently
something about mouse-ing ?

 Instead of these tedious acrobatics:----

repeat      ;;; position cursor to top
    ^p
until cursorAtTopProc;

<esc> m;    ;;; mark top

repeat      ;;; position cursor to bottom
    ^n
until cursorAtBottomProc;

<esc> <shift> M;    ;;; mark bottom

^d        ;;; compile/load

I'd like to:------

point to TopProc;

RightMouse;

WipeDownTo BottomProc;

MidMouse;  ---------------
To 'compile/load a proc' -  similar to oberon operating system.

Since the keys are appaently very programmable, has any one 
mapped key sequences to mouse sequences ?

Thanks,
   Chris Glur.