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Date:Mon Feb 7 22:17:40 1993 
Subject:Re: comp.lang.pop FAQ 
From:Aaron Sloman 
Volume-ID:930207.03 

dnk@aaii.oz.au (David Kinny) writes:

> Date: 5 Feb 93 01:14:01 GMT
> Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
>
> I've been monitoring this newsgroup for some weeks waiting for a FAQ
> to show itself.  Unfortunately, the one just posted doesn't address
> *my problem*.  In fact, it doesn't contain the word UNIX anywhere.
>
> So can some helpful soul let me know what POP's are available/suitable
> for unix on SUN's or DECstations in a university environment?  Is POP11
> only a commercial product?  It doesn't sound like it.  Do I really need it
> anyway?  It seems I do if I want to run Jocelyn Paine's EDEN system.
> But perhaps I should just port it to CL:-)

Although I am no longer part of the Poplog group, having left Sussex
University, and therefore have no right to redistribute Poplog
documentation, I am going to take the risk of posting the current
version of the online HELP POPLOG file, which gives partial answers.

(I think the file has not yet been updated for Poplog Version 14.2!)

What the file doesn't say is that although Poplog is a commercial
product, there are massive educational discounts, e.g. of the order
of 85% or more.

Aaron
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HELP POPLOG                                          A. Sloman, Nov 1989
                                             Updated R. Duncan, Dec 1991

Information about Poplog sales and distribution.


    CONTENTS - (Use <ENTER> g to access required sections)

 -- Versions of Poplog
 -- Poplog languages: Pop11, Lisp, Prolog, Standard ML
 -- Delivery mechanism and run-time licences
 -- Sales information
 -- Poplog and Pop Languages User Group (PLUG)
 -- POPFORUM: electronic mail forum


-- Versions of Poplog -------------------------------------------------

The following Poplog systems are currently available at Version 14.1:

    VAX VMS POPLOG
    VAX ULTRIX POPLOG
    SUN POPLOG for SUN-3, SUN-4 and SPARCstation
    SOLBOURNE POPLOG (same as SUN-4/SPARCstation POPLOG)
    HP POPLOG for Hewlett Packard HP 9000/300
    DECSTATION POPLOG for DECstation and DECserver
    MIPS POPLOG for MIPS RC2030
    SILICON GRAPHICS POPLOG for Silicon Graphics IRIS

SEQUENT POPLOG for Sequent Symmetry running Dynix is also available at
Version 14.0.

PC POPLOG for 80386 PCs running Unix System V is under development.


-- Poplog languages: Pop11, Lisp, Prolog, Standard ML -----------------

Pop11 is the main implementation language for Poplog, but all the
languages have their own incremental compilers, which compile to machine
code.

Poplog Prolog is essentially DEC-10 prolog, but versions of DEC-10
Prolog provided by different suppliers may differ in minor ways.

Poplog Common Lisp Version 1.4 provides a complete implementation of the
Common Lisp specification.

Poplog ML Version 2.0 provides a complete implementation of the 1990
Definition of Standard ML.


-- Delivery mechanism and run-time licences ---------------------------

Run-time licences for products based on Poplog saved images are
available. Please consult your supplier.

It is expected that a more sophisticated delivery mechanism will become
available, allowing products to be created that omit large portions of
Poplog that are not needed at run time.

This will also make available to users a version of the powerful
tools used for building and porting Poplog. These tools extend the
language Pop11, e.g. providing C-like facilities for pointer
manipulation.


-- Sales information --------------------------------------------------

British Educational customers may obtain Poplog from Sussex University.
Orders and enquiries to:

    Poplog Sales
    School of Cognitive and Computing Sciences
    University of Sussex
    Brighton
    BN1 9QN
    ENGLAND     Phone 0273 606755  (Ask for the Poplog Manager)

    UK educational orders may be addressed to the above address.

    Email: popsales@cogs.sussex.ac.uk

Academic sales in USA and Canada are organised by:

    Prof Robin Popplestone
    Computable Functions Inc.,
    35 South Orchard Drive,
    Amherst, MA 01002, USA
    tel (413) 253-7637

    Email: pop@cs.umass.edu

ALL other sales are handled by:

    Integral Solutions Ltd
    Unit 3, Campbell Court
    Bramley,
    Basingstoke,
    Hampshire,
    RG26 5EG
    Phone   +44 (0)256 882028     Fax +44 (0)256 882182

    Email isl@integ.uucp


-- Poplog and Pop Languages User Group (PLUG) -------------------------

The Poplog and Pop Languages Users Group (PLUG) is an organisation which
holds meetings and workshops,  distributes a newsletter and  distributes
public domain user  software. For  more information see  HELP *PLUG,  or
contact your Poplog supplier or the Poplog manager at Sussex  University
who will provide addresses of the organisers.


-- POPFORUM: electronic mail forum ------------------------------------

There is an electronic mail forum for Poplog users, managed by the  user
group (PLUG). Topics discussed  include: user problems, developments  of
the Pop11  language, programming  techniques, seminars  and  workshops,
available software goodies, etc.

For full details see HELP *POPFORUM.


--- C.all/help/poplog
--- Copyright University of Sussex 1991. All rights reserved. ----------
-- 
Aaron Sloman,
School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, B15 2TT, England
EMAIL   A.Sloman@cs.bham.ac.uk  OR A.Sloman@bham.ac.uk
Phone: +44-(0)21-414-3711       Fax:   +44-(0)21-414-4281