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Date:Wed, 12 May 2004 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) 
Subject:Re: FreeBSD Poplog without a Linux Partition (For Bernard) 
From:A . Sloman 
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Thanks John,

> > Many thanks for your summary of what freebsd users need to do.
> > With your permission, I'd like to put it in file in this
> > currently empty directory
> >
> >     http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/research/poplog/freebsd/
> >
>
>    If you can hold off a bit I will try to refine it a bit.

That's fine. There's no hurry: the directory has been empty for several
months!

> .....I am on
> night shift at the moment and rushed a bit to try and get Bernard in
> case he gave Poplog away.
 
> ...
 
> > I am hoping to remove the reliance on tcsh/csh, but it is buried not
> > only in various static scrips in the poplog tree but also in some
> > code that dynamically generates scripts, ....
 
>   That is up to you, I am a bit of a tcsh fan now but realise that
> bash is deeply ingrained inside Linux. Tcsh is the default user shell on
> FreeBSD now.

It's my preferred shell too: I know it well and almost all the time tcsh
does what I want. Maybe bash would if I learnt to use it but I have no
reason to at present.

I merely wanted to get rid of csh files in the poplog system and replace
them with 'sh' files because I think every linux/unix installation can
cope with those, but not all can handle csh/tcsh without installing
extra packages.

> >> gzip-1.3.3-5.i386.rpm, tar-1.13.25-8.i386.rpm,
> >> texutils-2.0.21-5.i386.rpm
> >
> > I was surprised to see texutils included. That should not be necessary.
>
>   I think that /bin/cat is in textutils.

I should have realised you were referring to
	textutils-2.0.21-5.i386.rpm

there's no such thing as texutils: I did not spot that it was a typo.

> ......
> >> and openmotif-2.2.2-12.i386.rpm
> >
> > This is also not essential though it adds to the functionality of
> > XVed (scroll-bars and menu buttons, which should now be re-implemented
> > another way...).
> >
>
>   I like the Motif search facility especially, I have yet to get to grips
> with grep in a meaningful way.

Try TEACH VEDSEARCH in Ved if you haven't yet looked at it.

If you get used to it you'll find it very much faster than bringing up a
motif panel and using the mouse, etc.

You don't need to use the 'grep'-like extensions to do all the basic
searching stuff.

E.g.

	ENTER f silly

searches for a procedure whose name starts 'silly'

But I know that when one is used to a certain style of interaction and
it works, switching to another style may not be worth the learning
effort despite possible additional gains.

(Like me and tcsh vs bash).

Cheers.

Aaron